The Hard Way With Joe De Sena
Most people don’t fall apart overnight. They drift when structure disappears.
In this episode, former U.S. Army veteran, health and wellness entrepreneur, and podcast host Chase Chewning joins Joe De Sena to break down what happens when identity, purpose, and community are stripped away. Chase lays out the hard lessons from medical discharge, career-ending injury, and loss, and how discipline, ownership, and community rebuild momentum. This is a blunt conversation about resilience, daily structure, and choosing responsibility when comfort is easier. Listeners will learn how to reset after loss, why discipline beats mindset, and how to move forward without excuses.
 
Things You Will Learn:
  • How to rebuild identity after injury, loss, or a forced reset
  • Why community is required for resilience and long-term performance
  • How ownership replaces motivation and keeps you moving
Tools & Frameworks Covered:
  • Ever Forward rule: move despite pain and uncertainty
  • Community as structure: accountability when discipline slips
  • Ownership principle: take responsibility, no matter the circumstance
If this episode moved you, don’t just listen. Do something about it. Sign up. Show up. Do the work. Spartan.com. No more excuses.
 
Chase Chewning’s life is a story of breaking down and rebuilding stronger. After serving six years in the U.S. Army and enduring devastating injuries that left him learning to walk twice, Chase transformed pain into purpose. 
 
Today, through his hit show Ever Forward Radio and his work in wellness and podcast education, he shares hard-earned lessons on resilience, mindset, and the power of turning struggle into strength.
 
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The Hard Way Podcast With Joe De Sena, Hosted by Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan, this podcast delves into the principles of resilience, discipline, and the Spartan mindset. De Sena's journey from building a multimillion-dollar pool cleaning business in his teens to establishing a successful Wall Street trading firm showcases his entrepreneurial spirit. In 2001, he transitioned from finance to operate an organic farm in Pittsfield, Vermont, where his passion for endurance events like ultramarathons and adventure races flourished. This led to the creation of Spartan, aiming to inspire individuals to embrace challenges and push their limits.

Direct download: Chase_Chewning_Full_Audio_-_V1.mp3
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Most people quit when progress slows. Max King kept going and got better. In this episode, two-time world champion endurance athlete Max King sits down with Joe De Sena to break down what actually sustains performance over decades. They talk about why discipline beats motivation, how putting races on the calendar removes excuses, and how managing injuries early keeps careers alive. This conversation focuses on endurance, ownership, and staying competitive long after others fade. You’ll take away simple rules for training consistently, handling setbacks, and building resilience that holds up under pressure.

Things You Will Learn:

  • How to stay competitive as others quit
  • How to use discipline instead of motivation
  • How to manage injuries without stopping

Tools & Frameworks Covered:

  • Calendar Commitment Rule: creates accountability through fixed deadlines
  • Outlasting Approach: wins through consistency and experience
  • Early Injury Response: prevents small problems from ending progress

Max King is an elite American endurance athlete who built his career by repeatedly choosing the hardest path, successfully competing across track, road, mountain, trail, and ultra-distance racing at a world-class level.

From Olympic Trials and world championships to 100-kilometer suffering and iconic Fastest Known Times, his journey reflects relentless discipline, mental adaptability, and deep respect for durability over ego.

Now he coaches the same way: build resilience, stay useful under pressure, and stay elite for life.

Connect to Max:

🌐 Website: https://www.maxkingtrc.com/max
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maxkingor
📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/max.king.9828

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👉 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1pYBkk1T684YQg7CmoaAZt 

📲 Short, Impactful Content 

👉 Instagram: @spartanuppodcast

👉 From me directly: @realjoedesena 

The Hard Way Podcast With Joe De Sena, Hosted by Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan, this podcast delves into the principles of resilience, discipline, and the Spartan mindset. De Sena's journey from building a multimillion-dollar pool cleaning business in his teens to establishing a successful Wall Street trading firm showcases his entrepreneurial spirit. In 2001, he transitioned from finance to operate an organic farm in Pittsfield, Vermont, where his passion for endurance events like ultramarathons and adventure races flourished. This led to the creation of Spartan, aiming to inspire individuals to embrace challenges and push their limits.

Direct download: Max_King_Full_Audio_-_V1.mp3
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Pressure reveals the truth. It shows what you trained and what you avoided. In this episode, strength coach, strongman gym owner, mental conditioning coach, and licensed therapist Brian Alsruhe talks with Joe De Sena about why discipline fails before strength and how missed decisions under stress lead to quitting. They break down using physical hardship to train the mind, stacking small wins daily, and choosing discomfort to build resilience. The listener gains simple rules to perform under pressure, own outcomes, and stop making excuses.
 
Things You Will Learn
  • How pressure exposes weak discipline
  • How to build mental toughness through daily discomfort
  • How small decisions decide long-term performance
Tools & Frameworks Covered
  • Stacked Wins: build discipline through daily action
  • Pressure Training: sharpen decision-making under stress
  • Discomfort Practice: strengthen resilience before it’s required
 
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Guest Bio:
Brian Alsruhe is a strength coach, strongman athlete, and founder of NEVERsate Athletics, a global community built around resilience, discipline, and personal accountability. His background in counter terrorism and his work toward a graduate degree in clinical mental health shaped his approach to physical and emotional endurance under real pressure. Brian’s life represents three core themes: overcoming adversity through discomfort, using strength as a tool for transformation, and teaching people to become harder to kill in both body and mindset.
 
Connect to Brian:
 
 
Direct download: Brian_Alsruhe_Full_Audio_-_V1.mp3
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When the mission ends, discipline gets exposed. What happens when the uniform comes off and no one is giving orders anymore? Former Army Airborne Infantry soldier and nonprofit founder Jonathan Milkovich joins Joe De Sena to talk about life after service, losing structure, and rebuilding standards from scratch. They cover the gap between military experience and civilian reality, why discipline must become self-directed, and how endurance training, competition, and finish lines replace lost mission and purpose. This episode delivers clear rules for ownership, structure, and performance when no one is watching.
 
Things You Will Learn
  • How to keep discipline when orders and structure are gone
  • How to rebuild purpose through standards, not motivation
  • How competition and finish lines create accountability
 
Tools & Frameworks Covered
  • Calendar-Based Challenges: create urgency and structure without external orders
  • Endurance Training & Finish Lines: rebuild identity through proof of work
  • Checklist Ownership Systems: replace motivation with repeatable discipline
 If this episode moved you, don’t just listen. Do something about it. Sign up. Show up. Do the work. Spartan.com. No more excuses.
 
Jonathan Milkovich is a military veteran who struggled deeply after transitioning out of service, losing the structure, identity, and sense of purpose that once defined his daily life.
 
Through endurance racing, he rebuilt discipline, clarity, and self-belief, discovering that physical challenge could become a pathway back to meaning. That journey led him to found Operation WarriorFit, centered on purpose after service, discipline through fitness, and rebuilding identity through shared challenge.
 
Connect to Jonathan:
Direct download: Jonathan_Milkovich_Full_Audio_-_V1.mp3
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