The Hard Way w/ Joe De Sena

Coach Frank McKinney, one of the first Black college rugby coaches in the US, says "I didn't get into coaching to win games.  My thing is to make young men better."  It turns out those are also the ingredients of a winning team.


Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan, interviews coach Frank McKinney and critically acclaimed filmmaker Thomas Morgan about the new film "Scrum" and the incredible story behind it.


Listen for the inspiring story, or for coach Frank's great coaching advice and insights.  "I tell the players, the kind of dog I need is the dog that's in the junkyard, with the tire swing in the old Roy dog food. And he has a little bit of water. You don't want to put your hand through that fence. But the border collie you put your hand through the fence and pet. So I tell the kids no matter where they come from, I need junkyard dogs out there playing that's for us to be successful for us to win. You've got to be a junkyard dog on the field, in the classroom and in life."


He strives to bring diversity to a predominantly white Southern institution through recruiting athletes from marginalized communities. Coach McKinney is an advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion within higher education and uses his position as a rugby coach to create opportunities, mentorship, and resources for at-risk youth to help them see themselves access and succeed in college and beyond. 




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Producer – Marion Abrams,

Host: Joe De Sena

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